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I'm pro athiest, pro theist, and pro religious.
So, I'm unsure, of who you're trying to address, with your individual choice of words?
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You say ......
Your vain attitude is showing.
My reply ....Thank you for your assessment Dr Freud
You say .....I don't drink,
My reply .....Congrats ......twelve step program was it?
You say ......and second of all, I don't live my life, according to how you think, so you can apply your imagined words towards someone, who rightfully deserves them?
My reply .....I’ve hit a raw nerve have I? Don’t reach for that bottle buddy
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Ah, so you're a religious person that believes in God as well as an Atheist that is anti-religious and disbelieve in God?
The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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Go ahead and judge, when you don't even know me, right?
Real world question, do you KNOW me?
If you don't, then why hide behind your own words then?
"You say .....I don't drink,
My reply .....Congrats ......twelve step program was it?
You say ......and second of all, I don't live my life, according to how you think, so you can apply your imagined words towards someone, who rightfully deserves them?
My reply .....I’ve hit a raw nerve have I? Don’t reach for that bottle buddy."
Is Dee, maybe really a guy, and is using a ladies name, to push her/ his own narratives, via their own keyboard via their own computer?
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When are you going to start engaging in a real world debate, in regards to this question, ( Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?)
Instead of playing around?
"Ah, so you're a religious person that believes in God as well as an Atheist that is anti-religious and disbelieve in God?"
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You say ....Is Dee, maybe really a guy, and is using a ladies name, to push her/ his own narratives, via their own keyboard via their own computer?
My reply .....On the bottle again buddy as that’s the only explanation for the nonsense you’ve just posted
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Says the person with another anonymous name, and playing on the internet.
@ZeusAres42
When are you going to start engaging in a real world debate, in regards to this question, ( Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?)
Instead of playing around?
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You say .....Says the person with another anonymous name, and playing on the internet
My reply .....Ahh right so me and @ZeusAres42 are one and the same person now .....oooookay , still on the bottle buddy are you buddy?
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"My reply .....Ahh right so me and @ZeusAres42are one and the same person now."
Says the person with another anonymous name, and playing on the internet
Nope, two separate people with anonymous names, giving the religious individuals a hard time?
"Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?"
And where is your conjoined evidence, that Christians are defending the Bible, in the way that the above question, is depicting them?
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You ask .....And where is your conjoined evidence, that Christians are defending the Bible, in the way that the above question, is depicting them?
My reply ......Ahhh right , so they’re not defending them so they agree they’re immoral......excellent
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Who are you judging via your individual comment?
The Christian kids, teenagers, or Millinials?
The Christian parent's, or parent, foster parent, or step parents?
Or maybe the Christian minister, or preacher, or maybe the parishioners themselves?
Where does your individual judgement towards them reside?
"My reply ......Ahhh right , so they’re not defending them so they agree they’re immoral......excellent."
And again, where is your evidence, that Christians are defending the Bible, in the way that the above question, is depicting them?
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I haven’t a clue what you’re bleating about , when you sober up get back to me
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Here's the them of the forum:
"Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?"
Here's my talking points:
Who are you judging via your individual comment?
The Christian kids, teenagers, or Millinials?
The Christian parent's, or parent, foster parent, or step parents?
Or maybe the Christian minister, or preacher, or maybe the parishioners themselves?
Where does your individual judgement towards them reside?
"My reply ......Ahhh right , so they’re not defending them so they agree they’re immoral......excellent."
And again, where is your evidence, that Christians are defending the Bible, in the way that the above question, is depicting them?
And here's your disrespect of it:
"I haven’t a clue what you’re bleating about , when you sober up get back to me."
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You ask ....And again, where is your evidence, that Christians are defending the Bible
Reply ......But Christians are defending the Bible several have done so on this debate , you really are drunk if you haven’t realized this , lay of the bootle for a while and actually read the comments this debate where Christians are defending the Bible
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I'm pro religion, and I'm not defending Religion, from the likes of your attitude, to appease your attitude.
Show me specifically, what profile names have defended Religion in this forum?
Maybe Joeseph, MayCaesar, or ethang?
"Reply ......But Christians are defending the Bible several have done so on this debate , you really are drunk if you haven’t realized this , lay of the bootle for a while and actually read the comments this debate where Christians are defending the Bible."
I've been engaging in this forum for a while now, so why not present evidence from this very forum, to back your claim up?
Instead of hiding behind your (drunk commentary,) and letting it do, your arguing for you?
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You say .....I've been engaging in this forum for a while now, so why not present evidence from this very forum, to back your claim up?
My reply ......It’s in this thread you drunken idiot can you not read?
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"Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?”
Firstly, pseudo-christians cannot in any way defend their primitive Bronze and Iron Age faith and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath, even though their pagan bible says to defend their disgusting faith.
In addressing the psychotic mind set of a pseudo-christian regarding their primitive brutal serial killer Jew god named Yahweh/Jesus, subjectively Carl Sagan said it best: “You can’t convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it’s based on a deep-seated need to believe." -Carl Sagan (1934-1996)
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"Firstly, pseudo-christians cannot in any way defend their primitive Bronze and Iron Age faith and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath, even though their pagan bible says to defend their disgusting faith."
"In addressing the psychotic mind set of a pseudo-christian regarding their primitive brutal serial killer Jew god named Yahweh/Jesus, subjectively Carl Sagan said it best: “You can’t convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it’s based on a deep-seated need to believe." -Carl Sagan (1934-1996)"
So says you, and name dropping Carl Sagan, and using their name, to help you, do your arguing for you?
Same words, different debate site.
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Yeah, says I for sure! For the record, I usually use the pseudo-christians primitive bible to slap them silly, but in this case, Carl did say it best relative to their primitive Bronze and Iron Age beliefs that they have swallowed in the 21st century. I am sure you would have to agree.
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"Yeah, says I for sure! For the record, I usually use the pseudo-christians primitive bible to slap them silly, but in this case, Carl did say it best relative to their primitive Bronze and Iron Age beliefs that they have swallowed in the 21st century. I am sure you would have to agree."
I agree on real world legitimate evidence, being used, to support your claims?
Until any anti religious individual, on the internet, or who's popular because of their known anti religious stances, can provide ANY evidence to the public as a whole, that religious individuals have a "psychotic mindset" with some valid proof?
Then, their opinions, are purely based on their own self opinionated rhetoric?
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Exactly what is cool?
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I get you now thanks for clarifying have a great day
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Debate, don't insinuate. Your opinions are not fact or pertinent to our subject.
That is irrational. If you are using God's standard to judge Him, then you do need His standard. Stop contradicting yourself.
You are unable to debate where we start of neutral and the guilt or innocence of God is reasoned out. You simply want the theist to begin by “defending the immorality of the Christian God” as if God's immorality is already a fact. It isn't. That is why you run when the silly assumption in the question is challenged.
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You say ......You have not established any facts idiot. And no one owns facts.
My reply .....I certainly have Idiot. One does not need “ownership” of a fact you idiot a fact is a fact.
You say .....This is a debate. If you say something untrue, I will call it untrue. Go be triggered on the snowflake board.
My reply .....But you cannot tell fact from fiction , so go ahead and be triggered .....again
You say ......Nonsense. You do not have Christian morality. You use your own, and your coyness here is telling.
My reply .....Thankfully I don’t have Christian “morality” which allowed people to own others as property
You say .....Yes you do. You just said you use it to judge God. I'm still asking for your morality. Again, do you have a morality?
My reply .....I don’t , I know my moral standards thank you , I judge your morality using the words and teachings from your deeply immoral contradictory book of nonsense
You say .....You are here to answer questions asked of you.
My reply ....I’m not , the question is .....Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
So why do you?
You say .....You will not choose my questions for me, or decide which of my questions are pertinent.
My reply ....I will and again yes I will as the question is .....Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
So why do you?
You say .....You don't know God's morality, and your inability to tell me what your morality is, is not surprising.
My reply .....I do , it’s stated clearly in the Bible , try read it sometime
You say ......Do you have a morality?
My reply .....Well I don’t believe in owning people as property does that count?
You say ....I have not asked you 100 times. But I have seen you dodge 100
times.
My reply .....You have , I’ve answered over a hundred times your failure to comprehend is your problem not mind
You say .......Not our topic.
My reply ....I know here’s the topic again .....Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
So why do you?
You say ......What you think is what makes your question is irrational. You assume God is Himself under the rules He supplies for us. Why? You just assume. No reasoning, no logic. And then pretend that your assumption is not only right, but cannot be questioned.
My reply .....My question is perfectly rational and you cannot defend your position which is why you’re doing this crazy dance to avoid admitting the plain truth which is whatever your god says is moral is moral because he says so , if god asked you to slaughter your son you would no doubt obey and do so with relish as it must be moral as god says so as god is not under the rules he supplies us correct?
You say .....You judge God as immoral. When I ask you by which standard do you judge God, you first tell me you use his standard. When I say you are not using God's standard, you reply that you don't need God's standard!
My reply........Yes god is immoral , I use the words of Jesus to condemn god I’m demonstrating to you what a deeply contradictory book of nonsense you adhere to , just as you claim your god is good I can make the equally valid claim your god is evil.
You say .....That is irrational. If you are using God's standard to judge Him, then you do need His standard. Stop contradicting yourself.
My reply ......Yes thank you for agreeing the words of the Bible are indeed contradictory and thus irrational
You say......Christians do not judge god using the rules for men. That would be as silly as judging a father by the same rules for his infant daughter.
My reply ......Which another reason why I’m not a Christian
You say .......You just said you didn't need the morality of God. Here is what you said, “Nonsense. I don’t need “Christian morality” if you are using the “teachings of Jesus” then you do need “Christian morality”
My reply .....I don’t , I’m using the words of Jesus to condemn your god as in where did I claim Jesus was moral?
You say .....And you again just dodged the question. The “our” referred to theists, idiot. One of the two sides debating the question we are discussing.
My reply ......I answered all your questions Doofus. Our as in your little god gang got ya Doofus.
You say ......You have no morality and thus cannot judge God.
My reply .....Oh yes I do and of course I can judge fictional tyrants
You say ......Yet you also claim you don't need Christian morality. That is irrational dee dee.
My reply .....It’s not to me but hey your American ancestors used good ole “Christian”morality to own slaves using gods words to justify it , now that’s ET’s idea of “rational “
You say .....You are in a debate about what is moral, and you are refusing to answer questions about what you think. That is both irrational and dishonest.
My reply .....You are in a debate which you think is about me as you’re obsessed with what I think instead of just addressing the topic , here ya go again .......
Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
So why do you ET?
You say .....You have established no immorality on God's part. That is what you idiots just cannot understand. No one is immoral because you say so, or because they do not follow your subjective opinion.
My reply .....I have and I keep giving examples you cannot defend as you admit no matter what god does it’s moral as you cannot judge god making you hopeless when it comes to moral questions.
Feeding babies battery acid is immoral that’s objectively true or maybe you think it’s subjective?
You say .....But unlike you, I can answer the question why murder is immoral.
My reply .....I’ve answered this several times you have failed to do so every time
You say .....It is your subjective code that judges God as immoral.
My reply .....But you stated .......You have no morality and thus cannot judge God......You have no morality and you cannot judge me thank you for your subjective code that judged me
You say .....The debate is about where you get the moral authority to judge God.
My reply .....It’s not , read the debate title .....again
You say .....You want your morality to be authoritative from the get go, and we accepting your assumption of God's “immorality” without question. That will not happen.
My reply .....I don’t , my morality works for me and your god is immoral and evil I couldn’t give a flying f—k whether dummies like you accept it or not
You say ......If you could answer, you would. There is an entire thread of you dodging the question until Aaron popped your balloon.
My reply .....Stop it ET your deflection is appalling you cannot say why murder is wrong yet you blame me because you cannot answer. Aaron warned you about trolling which is why you left the site but opened 3 alt accounts man up and own it buddy?
You say .....You think morality is your personal opinion. It isn't.
My reply ......Demonstrate where I step that in those words?
You say .....Illogical. The Christian is using a morality that preceded him, that is explicitly expressed in the bible. You disagree, fine, but it is not his subjective opinion.
My reply ......Illogical . You did say .....Just as when some idiot Muslim tells me that American girls are whores because they go uncovered. It is not morality, it is just his opinion.
It’s not .....The Muslim is using a morality that preceded him, that is explicitly expressed in the Quran .You need to work on that logic buddy
You say ......Now you get it! Then we can end this debate and dismiss the OP's question.
Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible ?”
No immorality of the Christian God has been established. Question dismissed off hand.
My reply ......No immorality of the Atheist has been established so why do you keep telling me I’m immoral? Your questions dismissed out of hand.
Gods immorality has been established by me that works for me
You say ......You don't want to debate whether God is moral or not, you want us to begin as if your inane opinion is already fact, because you cannot convict God using reason.
My reply ...... I’ve proved god is immoral you do not know moral from immoral as you admit everything god does is good which is why you just like a Muslim terrorist would slaughter others if he asked as you did admit you cannot judge him using mans laws? Beaten again by your own stupidity
You say .....If “destroying” me is you running away from points you can't address, then yes, you have “destroyed” me.
My reply .....Ahhh right there that deflection again you still cannot sat why murder is wrong and you still cannot address the debate topic
You say.........You are unable to debate where we start of neutral and the guilt or innocence of God is reasoned out. You simply want the theist to begin by “defending the immorality of the Christian God” as if God's immorality is already a fact. It isn't.
My reply ......Just as you claim god is good and claim it’s “rational “ I can claim the reverse and claim it rational how do you support the claim god is good?
Bet you cannot as you think gods morality is a fact , it isn’t. That is why you run when the silly assumption in the question is challenged.
You say .....You cannot convict because your morality carries no weight, no authority.
My reply ......Neither can an unproven god convict as it carries no weight no authority
You say ......if you were using God's morality, you would not have to dance around questions.
My reply ......You’re the one dancing prove there’s a god?
You say .....You have not.
My reply .....I have
You say .....That is why you don't want to debate it.
My reply .....Yet here I am
You say .....You want us to pretend it has already been established. It hasn't.
My reply ....I don’t want you to pretend anything unless that means continuing to let on you believe in a god , I’ve established the immorality of your god
You say .....And you still have the contradiction of claiming you don't need Christian morality but still needing it to condemn God.
My reply ......I didn’t say Jesus or his words were moral
You say ......I have not claimed God is moral. The OP has claimed God is immoral. I am saying that claim is irrational.
My reply .....You don’t know as you admit whether god is moral or immoral excellent
You say .....I don't care how embarrassed you get. It is clear that you are vacuous. All you want is a soapbox on which rant against God.
My reply ......I don't care how embarrassed you get. It is clear that you are vacuous. All you want is a soapbox on which to rant against Atheists
You say ......You cannot state what you believe, you cannot tell us why your morality judges some things immoral, and you will play obtuse with questions.
My reply ......You cannot state what you believe, you cannot tell us why your morality judges some things immoral, and you
You say .....You're the one trying to prosecute God. In debate we ask and answer questions. Your fear at being questioned is telling.
My reply .....Prosecute ? You’re the one trying to defend god In debate we ask and answer questions. Your fear at being questioned is telling.
You say ......And since God is not here, you will answer questions, or we can both go home. Again, the OP's question can be dismissed.
My reply ... , the question is .....Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
Your attempts to deflect are telling , so any answer yet Doofus?
You say ......I can dismiss you as an empty moron seething with irrational hatred of God. You idiots are a dime a dozen on the net.
My reply .....
......I can dismiss you as an empty moron seething with irrational hatred of Atheists You idiots are a dime a dozen on the net
You say .....When you can debate where you aren't afraid to answer questions, let me know.
My reply .....
When you can answer why is murder wrong let me know , when you’re not to sacred maybe you can answer .........Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
Two questions that have you fleeing for the hills run rabbit, run rabbit, run run, run
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Again, do you have a morality?
As you being afraid to answer? Yes.
One of us needs to work on logic, that's for sure.
I am not here to answer questions – dee dee
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Read this again you Troll and attempt to address what I asked instead of conducting an interrogation all because you think slavery is moral because the Bible says so , you can get your fellow Christians to help you
You say ......You have not established any facts idiot. And no one owns facts.
My reply .....I certainly have Idiot. One does not need “ownership” of a fact you idiot a fact is a fact.
You say .....This is a debate. If you say something untrue, I will call it untrue. Go be triggered on the snowflake board.
My reply .....But you cannot tell fact from fiction , so go ahead and be triggered .....again
You say ......Nonsense. You do not have Christian morality. You use your own, and your coyness here is telling.
My reply .....Thankfully I don’t have Christian “morality” which allowed people to own others as property
You say .....Yes you do. You just said you use it to judge God. I'm still asking for your morality. Again, do you have a morality?
My reply .....I don’t , I know my moral standards thank you , I judge your morality using the words and teachings from your deeply immoral contradictory book of nonsense
You say .....You are here to answer questions asked of you.
My reply ....I’m not , the question is .....Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
So why do you?
You say .....You will not choose my questions for me, or decide which of my questions are pertinent.
My reply ....I will and again yes I will as the question is .....Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
So why do you?
You say .....You don't know God's morality, and your inability to tell me what your morality is, is not surprising.
My reply .....I do , it’s stated clearly in the Bible , try read it sometime
You say ......Do you have a morality?
My reply .....Well I don’t believe in owning people as property does that count?
You say ....I have not asked you 100 times. But I have seen you dodge 100
times.
My reply .....You have , I’ve answered over a hundred times your failure to comprehend is your problem not mind
You say .......Not our topic.
My reply ....I know here’s the topic again .....Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
So why do you?
You say ......What you think is what makes your question is irrational. You assume God is Himself under the rules He supplies for us. Why? You just assume. No reasoning, no logic. And then pretend that your assumption is not only right, but cannot be questioned.
My reply .....My question is perfectly rational and you cannot defend your position which is why you’re doing this crazy dance to avoid admitting the plain truth which is whatever your god says is moral is moral because he says so , if god asked you to slaughter your son you would no doubt obey and do so with relish as it must be moral as god says so as god is not under the rules he supplies us correct?
You say .....You judge God as immoral. When I ask you by which standard do you judge God, you first tell me you use his standard. When I say you are not using God's standard, you reply that you don't need God's standard!
My reply........Yes god is immoral , I use the words of Jesus to condemn god I’m demonstrating to you what a deeply contradictory book of nonsense you adhere to , just as you claim your god is good I can make the equally valid claim your god is evil.
You say .....That is irrational. If you are using God's standard to judge Him, then you do need His standard. Stop contradicting yourself.
My reply ......Yes thank you for agreeing the words of the Bible are indeed contradictory and thus irrational
You say......Christians do not judge god using the rules for men. That would be as silly as judging a father by the same rules for his infant daughter.
My reply ......Which another reason why I’m not a Christian
You say .......You just said you didn't need the morality of God. Here is what you said, “Nonsense. I don’t need “Christian morality” if you are using the “teachings of Jesus” then you do need “Christian morality”
My reply .....I don’t , I’m using the words of Jesus to condemn your god as in where did I claim Jesus was moral?
You say .....And you again just dodged the question. The “our” referred to theists, idiot. One of the two sides debating the question we are discussing.
My reply ......I answered all your questions Doofus. Our as in your little god gang got ya Doofus.
You say ......You have no morality and thus cannot judge God.
My reply .....Oh yes I do and of course I can judge fictional tyrants
You say ......Yet you also claim you don't need Christian morality. That is irrational dee dee.
My reply .....It’s not to me but hey your American ancestors used good ole “Christian”morality to own slaves using gods words to justify it , now that’s ET’s idea of “rational “
You say .....You are in a debate about what is moral, and you are refusing to answer questions about what you think. That is both irrational and dishonest.
My reply .....You are in a debate which you think is about me as you’re obsessed with what I think instead of just addressing the topic , here ya go again .......
Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
So why do you ET?
You say .....You have established no immorality on God's part. That is what you idiots just cannot understand. No one is immoral because you say so, or because they do not follow your subjective opinion.
My reply .....I have and I keep giving examples you cannot defend as you admit no matter what god does it’s moral as you cannot judge god making you hopeless when it comes to moral questions.
Feeding babies battery acid is immoral that’s objectively true or maybe you think it’s subjective?
You say .....But unlike you, I can answer the question why murder is immoral.
My reply .....I’ve answered this several times you have failed to do so every time
You say .....It is your subjective code that judges God as immoral.
My reply .....But you stated .......You have no morality and thus cannot judge God......You have no morality and you cannot judge me thank you for your subjective code that judged me
You say .....The debate is about where you get the moral authority to judge God.
My reply .....It’s not , read the debate title .....again
You say .....You want your morality to be authoritative from the get go, and we accepting your assumption of God's “immorality” without question. That will not happen.
My reply .....I don’t , my morality works for me and your god is immoral and evil I couldn’t give a flying f—k whether dummies like you accept it or not
You say ......If you could answer, you would. There is an entire thread of you dodging the question until Aaron popped your balloon.
My reply .....Stop it ET your deflection is appalling you cannot say why murder is wrong yet you blame me because you cannot answer. Aaron warned you about trolling which is why you left the site but opened 3 alt accounts man up and own it buddy?
You say .....You think morality is your personal opinion. It isn't.
My reply ......Demonstrate where I step that in those words?
You say .....Illogical. The Christian is using a morality that preceded him, that is explicitly expressed in the bible. You disagree, fine, but it is not his subjective opinion.
My reply ......Illogical . You did say .....Just as when some idiot Muslim tells me that American girls are whores because they go uncovered. It is not morality, it is just his opinion.
It’s not .....The Muslim is using a morality that preceded him, that is explicitly expressed in the Quran .You need to work on that logic buddy
You say ......Now you get it! Then we can end this debate and dismiss the OP's question.
Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible ?”
No immorality of the Christian God has been established. Question dismissed off hand.
My reply ......No immorality of the Atheist has been established so why do you keep telling me I’m immoral? Your questions dismissed out of hand.
Gods immorality has been established by me that works for me
You say ......You don't want to debate whether God is moral or not, you want us to begin as if your inane opinion is already fact, because you cannot convict God using reason.
My reply ...... I’ve proved god is immoral you do not know moral from immoral as you admit everything god does is good which is why you just like a Muslim terrorist would slaughter others if he asked as you did admit you cannot judge him using mans laws? Beaten again by your own stupidity
You say .....If “destroying” me is you running away from points you can't address, then yes, you have “destroyed” me.
My reply .....Ahhh right there that deflection again you still cannot sat why murder is wrong and you still cannot address the debate topic
You say.........You are unable to debate where we start of neutral and the guilt or innocence of God is reasoned out. You simply want the theist to begin by “defending the immorality of the Christian God” as if God's immorality is already a fact. It isn't.
My reply ......Just as you claim god is good and claim it’s “rational “ I can claim the reverse and claim it rational how do you support the claim god is good?
Bet you cannot as you think gods morality is a fact , it isn’t. That is why you run when the silly assumption in the question is challenged.
You say .....You cannot convict because your morality carries no weight, no authority.
My reply ......Neither can an unproven god convict as it carries no weight no authority
You say ......if you were using God's morality, you would not have to dance around questions.
My reply ......You’re the one dancing prove there’s a god?
You say .....You have not.
My reply .....I have
You say .....That is why you don't want to debate it.
My reply .....Yet here I am
You say .....You want us to pretend it has already been established. It hasn't.
My reply ....I don’t want you to pretend anything unless that means continuing to let on you believe in a god , I’ve established the immorality of your god
You say .....And you still have the contradiction of claiming you don't need Christian morality but still needing it to condemn God.
My reply ......I didn’t say Jesus or his words were moral
You say ......I have not claimed God is moral. The OP has claimed God is immoral. I am saying that claim is irrational.
My reply .....You don’t know as you admit whether god is moral or immoral excellent
You say .....I don't care how embarrassed you get. It is clear that you are vacuous. All you want is a soapbox on which rant against God.
My reply ......I don't care how embarrassed you get. It is clear that you are vacuous. All you want is a soapbox on which to rant against Atheists
You say ......You cannot state what you believe, you cannot tell us why your morality judges some things immoral, and you will play obtuse with questions.
My reply ......You cannot state what you believe, you cannot tell us why your morality judges some things immoral, and you
You say .....You're the one trying to prosecute God. In debate we ask and answer questions. Your fear at being questioned is telling.
My reply .....Prosecute ? You’re the one trying to defend god In debate we ask and answer questions. Your fear at being questioned is telling.
You say ......And since God is not here, you will answer questions, or we can both go home. Again, the OP's question can be dismissed.
My reply ... , the question is .....Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
Your attempts to deflect are telling , so any answer yet Doofus?
You say ......I can dismiss you as an empty moron seething with irrational hatred of God. You idiots are a dime a dozen on the net.
My reply .....
......I can dismiss you as an empty moron seething with irrational hatred of Atheists You idiots are a dime a dozen on the net
You say .....When you can debate where you aren't afraid to answer questions, let me know.
My reply .....
When you can answer why is murder wrong let me know , when you’re not to sacred maybe you can answer .........Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible?
Two questions that have you fleeing for the hills run rabbit, run rabbit, run run, run
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You say .......Why are you arguing you have no proof
My reply ......That the Bible is immoral? Sure I do and you agreed slavery was immoral or have you changed your mind again?
Hey , maybe your new “Christian “ butt buddy Ethang will attempt to help you when he gets back from his K K K meeting, I wouldn’t hold my breath as he’s a bit on the thick side , it’s seems to be a genetic trait with you lot
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My reply .....Ahhhh still crying are you , you admitted slavery was immoral , you admitted your god was immoral therefore I’m against slavery you admit I’m more moral than your god .........Ouch
By the way you accepted my proof regarding slavery or do you want to change your mind and say it’s moral now? It’s ok you’re getting good at lying
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My reply .....Ahhhh still crying are you , you admitted slavery was immoral , you admitted your god was immoral therefore I’m against slavery you admit I’m more moral than your god .........Ouch
By the way you accepted my proof regarding slavery or do you want to change your mind and say it’s moral now? It’s ok you’re getting good at lying
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My reply .....Ahhhh still crying are you , you admitted slavery was immoral , you admitted your god was immoral therefore I’m against slavery you admit I’m more moral than your god .........Ouch
By the way you accepted my proof regarding slavery or do you want to change your mind and say it’s moral now? It’s ok you’re getting good at lying
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You say .....More insults....and misrepresentation of my statements.
My reply .....I have not insulted you I’ve pointed out you admitted owning people as property is immoral and I have witnesses , so why do you continue to lie?
Here you go your own words ......
@PlaffelvohfenAsked you ........will you answer my question? Do you think that owning people as commodities is moral?
Your reply ......No I do not.
You agreed that owning people as property was not moral do you want to lie again?
You say ......So I admitted my God was immoral or an assumption on your part.
My reply .....No assumption, your words stated that you agree it’s immoral therefore your god is immoral as he gives the law regards slavery
You say .....I did not admit slavery was immoral,
My reply .....You did your words confirm this
You say ......I always have held that modern slavery is immoral.
Biblical slavery is not immoral.
My reply .....You truly are dense you admitted owning people as property is immoral , now it’s not .....Are you on drugs or drunk?
You say ......You have made very broad statements.
I asked for your support for your statements, you could not produce them, so I denoted your statements were unfounded and asked is this comparable to lying. You then call me a liar.
My reply ......I’ve proved you’re a compulsive liar , don’t blame me your words confirm this
You say ......You are the main person who throws out insults, which gives proof to atheists lacking morals.
My reply ......But I’m not insulting you I’m calling you a liar I’ve just proved my point
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You say .....You have no proof.
My reply ......I’ve just given proof
You say ......I stated that modern slavery is immoral, but Biblical slavery is moral.
My reply ......Owning people as property was never moral which demonstrates your god is immoral as are you
You say .....I have not lied in anyway, my points are very clear.
My reply ......You did lie
You say ......Owning people is only immoral now because of what has occured with the treatment of people.
My words!
Now you have taken my statements out of context, when you clearly left out my previous words.
My reply ......What does that even mean?
You say .......Saying I stated that Biblical slavery is not moral, then go ahead, nevertheless that would be a lie.
My reply ......You said owning people as property was immoral you fool it cannot be both moral and immoral
You say ......Where is my statement that God is immoral? That is a lie.
My reply ....It’s not I proved it
You say .....That is a lie
My reply .....It’s still not you admitted owning people as property is immoral how can it then be moral?
You say ......You hurl out insults many times and I am not the only one who has called you on it.
My reply .....I’ve just proved your a liar that’s not an insult it’s a fact
You say ......Calling people stupid, compulsive liar, idiots,
My reply .....You are pretty stupid you call something moral then immoral and keep changing your mind as you do not understand the terms , you are a liar also , you denied you said slavery was immoral
You say ......saying they attended KKK meetings, these are insults.
My reply .....Incorrect I never said “they” I said Ethang as he’s a rabid racist so most likely a fan of the K K K , funny how you never call your Christians buddy on all his insults and smears of others
You say ......You have stated that you do not believe the Bible is an accurate textbook.
You cannot use the information against itself if you do not believe it is accurate. (unless you are only trying to prove fallacies)
My reply ......It’s not it’s inaccurate as I’ve demonstrated, and sure I can use the contradictions in the Bible to prove it’s a book of that’s how I discovered it was a book of
You say ......I asked for your proof outside of the Bible or any proof that goes against the Bible's information.
My reply .....Proof of what exactly?
Here you go again with your insanity ......I did not admit slavery was immoral........... I always have held that modern slavery is immoral.
THERE YOU GO AGAIN SAYING SLAVERY IS MORAL BUT ALSO IMMORAL ......OH DEAR , OH DEAR
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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During the time it was written, many nations had slaves. Egypt, Israel, Greece, China, Africa, Asia, Korea, Europe, England all had slaves.
Of all the nations with slaves, Israel was the only nation that we know of that had a standard of principles that stipulated a code of conduct.
One of these standards was the Golden Rule.
Matthew 7:12 - "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets."
Other laws enforced slaves received:
Fair treatment.
Protection from killing.
Protection from sexual promiscuity.
Protection from serious injury.
Release after 6 to 7 years.
Proper payment during and after release.
The consequence from violation of those laws was automatic release and possible death to the slave owner.
Literally thousands of years later, the Civil War was fought where the The Emancipation Proclamation was made. It was not made because slavery was considered immoral. It was made to keep black labor out of the West.
The key issue was states' rights. The South wanted to assert their authority over the federal government so they could abolish federal laws they didn't support, especially laws interfering with the South's right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wished in particularly the West. The South wished to take slavery into the western territories, while the North was committed to keeping them open to white labor alone. The newly formed Republican party, whose members were strongly opposed to the westward expansion of slavery into new states, was gaining prominence. The election of a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, as President in 1860 sealed the deal. His victory, without a single Southern electoral vote, was a clear signal to the Southern states that they had lost all influence.
The Emancipation Proclamation, which lead to the 13th amendment, was to free slaves but it ultimate goal was to prevent black labor in the West. By freeing slaves they removed the Southern East power and allowed black people stay in the East.
Through the course of many lawsuits, it was determined that the treatment of people (particularly black people) was immoral. Black people were treated harshly, unfair, beaten, killed, raped, etc.
People reasoned how the slavery was immoral because how they treated slaves.
So yes slavery is immoral because of the treatment.
We know this as a fact. Because slavery still exists in the USA today.
Look at the 13th amendment. Which provided "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
The ownership of people was not the criteria for slavery being abolished. When you are incarcerated you are owned by the government, technically you are a slave. If slavery is immoral for ownership alone, that would mean that everyone in the USA is immoral.
So slavery was not immoral for people during the Bible times because the treatment (standard of principles was enforced that stipulated a code of conduct) was good. Nevertheless, because the USA treatment changed (no principals and no code of conduct) slavery became immoral.
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You say ......I know it is hard to understand.
My reply ......Yes it is for me how you think buying and selling humans like animals was moral in biblical times ......
The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
You say ......Its ok you feel differently.
My reply ....Yes I don’t agree with selling my daughters under any circumstances yet you do as it was done in biblical times ......
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
I also feel differently to Christians like you who think beating people is fine because you own them ......
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
But it’s not all bad as you and fellow Christians call me immoral for criticising biblical slavery as yous think it was wonderfully moral to own people as property in biblical times as you admitted right?
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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#1 That is the definition of slavery. Dictionaries was made in 1500s, during the civil rights movement. It is understandable why that is the definition now.
I agree slaves in the Bible’s times was keeping someone as property, but was it against their will?
According to the Bible, it was not, people had to choose to enslave themselves.
Was it without remuneration or appreciation?
According to the Bible, it was not, slaves were paid, during and after.
This is where I ask for evidence that Biblical slavery was similar to the slavery in the USA.
There is no other record that states otherwise. We have to go on the Bible’s information.
Based on that information slavery was paid. Harsh treatment was released.
You are saying people were not treated right during Biblical times. We are not saying everything went perfect during that time, people are human. People sneak and do things outside of the Law all the time. Nevertheless, the people is not the issue here. The question is on the Bible. According to the the rules in the Bible it was more than fair. If people followed the guidelines in the Bible, slavery is moral, fair, not harsh, and paid.
#2 Harsh treatment of slaves could have existed in Israel during Biblical times. Nevertheless, we need proof. It also could not have existed in Israel during the Biblical times. And even if it did that is not what is on trial here. The Bible is on trial here. The Bible did not require people to get slaves. It outlined how the treatment should be, if they acquired slaves, if someone enslaved themselves.
#3 If that was the case then they would have abolished it well before 1865. If ownership of people was considered immoral why wasn’t it abolished in 1492? Why not in 1776 during the signing of the Declaration of Independence? I got that information about 1865 from Wikipedia, main reason slavery was abolished was to prevent Black people from being labors in the West.
#4 That information about slavery and incarceration was the information in the Amendment. I was not comparing it. It is in the Amendment. The people who abolished slavery compared it. There was justification in the Bible times. The Bible says if someone becomes so poor that they enslave themselves. It was like a job.
Look at the question?
>>>Why do Christians defend the immorality of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible ?
So this question is saying the Bible depicts God as immoral.
That is an attack on the Bible. Not the people. I am not defending the people, I don’t know if they followed or not, I need proof. What I am doing is defending the Bible.
The Bible did not depict God as immoral, because it required good treatment to slaves.
That’s why I say what the Bible says.
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